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Effexor withdrawal basics - if you've ended up here looking for help

02.28.04 (6:58 pm) [edit]

A couple of people have posted comments looking for help to lessen Effexor's discontinuation symptoms. I'm still hoping to get some contributions and suggestions on that from readers, and I myself am only about midway through the process myself, so here are just some basic, "sturdy," hopefully-can't-hurt-ya recommendations (see my disclaimer below--you know, the one about me not being a doctor!!!):

1. TALK TO YOUR DOCTOR FIRST. I haven't been good about this personally, but it really is best to let your doctor know about your decisions and start getting off the drug under their supervision. If you can, and your circumstances allow, try to find a sympathetic, knowledgeable psychiatrist that you trust.

2. THE TECHNICAL TERM IS TITRATE--TAPER, TAPER, TAPER!! Just keep in mind all those T's. After talking with your doctor, he or she will hopefully have told you that you must taper down little by little from your current dose to progressively lower doses. DO NOT STOP TAKING THIS MEDICINE COLD TURKEY, unless doing so for medical reasons and/or under the supervision of a doctor. Your symptoms will be far worse that way.

3. DRINK PLENTY OF WATER. Nobody has really told me this specifically, but I think that discontinuing a drug is kind of a detox of sorts. When you're sick, you're supposed to drink lots of liquids, right? Drinking plenty of water helps to flush out your system and, I imagine, promotes healing. I guess. But it's good to do anyway!

4. TRY TO GET PLENTY OF REST. If you've stopped the drug without tapering, most likely you don't have a choice on this one--you're probably so dizzy, nauseous, and wacked out you can't do much else besides roll miserably around in bed, on the couch, or whichever other horizontal surface you prefer. But since sleep is the time when the body renews itself, getting plenty of sleep is probably a good way to help the discontinuation process along as your system gets used to not having the drug in it.

Also, I find that it helps me not feel so nauseous and dizzy if I try to make sure to eat regularly. I mean, I personally look for any excuse to eat regularly in general, but right now I feel a lot better if I have something in my stomach like, all the time. But that might just be me--I've also heard from some people who have thrown up a lot during withdrawal, and probably didn't feel like eating anything.

Good luck, and hang in there! Feel free to come back here and post comments, questions, etc.--I'll try to post back when I can.

posted by: sally (reply)
post date: 03.01.04 (9:00 am)

I am looking for information on effexor withdrawal also. Beware of Scientology sites-the first one that came up on google is a scientology site. They do not identify themselves as such. They trash psychiatry and medication, and then try to sell their view (and then take your money).

posted by: PJ (reply)
post date: 03.01.04 (7:34 pm)

I soooo appreciate your information/opinion !!! I stopped cold turkey 2 days ago and feel like I've been run over by a cement mixer. ***HOW LONG DOES THE VERTIGO/DIZZINESS LAST?***

posted by: brainzaps (reply)
post date: 03.02.04 (12:37 pm)

Reply to: sally
Yeah, I think there is a lot of info like that out there. I don't take a pro or anti-psychiatry stance either way--Effexor worked great for me at the beginning, and many people have benefitted from antidepressants and other meds. But there are also needs to be more consumer info out there about the negatives as well. This site is more like a resource and support site; I have a more moderate view, I guess.

posted by: brainzaps (reply)
post date: 03.02.04 (12:38 pm)

Reply to: PJ
Hi PJ, don't know if you've come back, but I hope you're hanging in there. If you can, please talk to a doctor or consider going back to taking your original dose and then taper back down SLOWLY. Take it easy and hope everything works out OK.

posted by: Lisa (reply)
post date: 05.10.04 (3:17 pm)

I have been taking 225mg of effexor for the past year. In January I decided I didn't want to take it anymore so I dropped myself down to 150mg. When I returned to my Dr I told her I no longer wanted to take it so she gave me trial packs to ween myself off. I dropped down to 75mg/day for 3 weeks and finally down to 37.5mg/day for 3 weeks. I just finished my last pill on Thursday. Today is Monday and I feel horrible. I have been getting constant "brain zaps" and have been sooooo tired ALL the time. Does anyone know anyway to help without returning to effexor?? I would never recommend anyone to take this!

posted by: Michael UK (reply)
post date: 05.27.04 (3:18 am)

I have been successfully tapering my dose gradually for a year and a half. I'm down from 225mg to 37.5mg. I have managed to minimise withdrawal effects through the some of the four methods stated, but, above all, through LOTS OF PHYSICAL EXERCISE. GOPING TO THE GYM has been the best way for me to avoid brain zaps and all the other horrible withdrawal effects of Effexor.

posted by: Kate (reply)
post date: 07.06.04 (8:47 pm)

hi...i am taking effexor now and really don'tr feel any differant than i did before. i once missed i pill (75mg) and i felt so wierd. i really thought i was going crazy . at first i had no idea what caused it until i missed another dose. for me the absolute worse thing is the brain zaps things. i really had no idea how to even describe them, i thought i was hearing motion. it's wierd. i am going to stop taking it .i;ve only taken it for about three months but it is so scary to think i will withdrawal from something that i personally never even bennifted from. it makes me mad that my doctor asked if i'd rather up my dose than to tell me how bad it'll be to get off. i will start tappering them tonight. i think this is an awesomw place for advice and support!!! thanks. i'll be in touch

posted by: Terragni (reply)
post date: 07.15.04 (11:44 am)

I read that Benadryl can help with the syspmtoms. i treid it and it helepd quite bit with the confusion, sick stomach and headache.

posted by: cj (reply)
post date: 10.01.04 (9:53 am)

I took effexor (granted, a low dose, 75mgs) for two years and have recently come off of it. Having forgotten to take a dose a couple of times over the past 2 years, I had a feel for how bad the withdrawal symptoms could be, even at a low dose. I can't imagine how bad it must be for someone who is on 150+mgs. I went down to 37.5mgs for 3 days (was supposed to go for 7 days but I decided to try and "tough it out", probably not good advice) and then stopped all together. I think the "drink a lot of water" advice is good. I drank (and still do) about 1 gallon per day and it seemed to helped. Also, the Benedryl thing helps at night (couldn't take it during the day, it knocks me out cold). The bottom line is, your body sees the drug as something that doesn't belong in your system (even if it is helpful) and the withdrawal symptoms are the body's attempts to flush it out (like any drug withdrawal). Again, lots of water, even cranberry or tomato juice (original V8, if you can stomach it, is one of the best things you can drink besides water), green tea...any antioxident seems like it helped (also fruits like oranges, grapefruit, etc. anything with lots of Vitamin C). Besides, these things are all good for you anyway. Stay away from things with lots of chemicals (fast food, softdrinks and coffee, chips with "stuff" on them...I think MSG is one of the worst things ever invented, I avoid it at all costs...). Hope this helps some and good luck.

posted by: Hes (reply)
post date: 10.01.04 (12:19 pm)

Day two...my doctor told me that 75 mg. didn't need to be tapered, since it was a low dose already. However, I feel like I am dying. How long does this last?

posted by: Laura (reply)
post date: 01.31.05 (12:18 pm)

Thanks so much for all the information. I had my first child almost 14 months ago and when he was born I was having minor post-partum blues so my doctor put me on 37.5 mg of Effexor. I had never taken any king of antidepressant before so this was very new to me. After being on that for about 2 or 3 months my husband starting having some mental problems and so in putting up with him my doctor put me up to 75 mg. I have been on Effexor for a little over a year now and I have put on about 30 lbs. Keep in mind I have always been a petite person. I am 5 ft. and weighed 98 lbs. before becoming pregnant. After I had my little boy I got back down to within 10 lbs of what I weighed before him then I got on Effexor and started gaining the weight. I no longer need to be on the medicine but it is horrible to get off of. I tried cold turkey.....hell no that did not work. I had severe headaches and vertigo and dizziness. That is when I went looking for information on Effexor. I will get off this medicine. It is horrible and I wish I would have never been on it. My doctor has now put me on 37.5 mg and I am going to try tapering off a little at a time. Thanks for all the information.

posted by: Susie (reply)
post date: 02.08.05 (7:22 pm)

I am so relieved to read everyones posts, I thought I was crazy. I undertand the term brainzaps - having forgotten a few pills over the years. I have been on Effexor for about 5 years highest dose 225 most recent dose 150. did 75 for 2 weeks and I am down to 37.5 for a week. I am dizzy, nauseous and cannot focus for anything. I am agitated and anxious and I am just relieved not to be alone. Thank you for having this blog

posted by: avalonpriestess (reply)
post date: 02.11.05 (10:06 am)

Chlorpheneramine helps alleviate the withdrawal effects tremendously. I was on effexor for two years and I spent the past 5 weeks tapering off. I have been feeling the brain zaps and nausea since I lowered my dose. Now that I am off the pill the only way I am able to get through the day is by popping an antihistamine every few hours.

posted by: avalonpriestess (reply)
post date: 02.11.05 (10:13 am)

Reply to: cj
Extremely helpful information. I started to cry because I feel so grateful that I am not the only person going through this hell and there are ways to deal with it.

posted by: i see dead people (reply)
post date: 02.12.05 (2:15 pm)

its my 3rd day off after tapering from 150mg for about 2 years. 112.5 for a month, 75mg for a month, then 37.5 for the last month. Initially my doc said 2 weeks, but i had missed a dose in the past and knew that it needed to be longer. The worst was yesterday. I was driving to work and sure enough, dead body on the side of the freeway. Now, I knew that there was no way a dead body could be on the side of the road but after taking 3 seperate looks, i still saw dead body. the 4th time, i realized it was just some soggy boxes. but regardless, it wasnt good for my heart, i thought i was going to have a stroke. and i'm only 28. well, i only made it through about an hour at work(im a 3rd grade teacher) when i realized i wasnt going to make it. besides having all the usual symptoms: brain zaps, sweating, sensitivity to light and sound, nausea, shaking, etc, the thing that really scared me was that my normal thinking processes were faltering. I couldnt do anything, i couldnt think straight. Thats was made me start crying uncontrollable because it really freaked me out. so, somehow i made it home and about an hour later i went to see my primary care. She thought that i was having a migraine triggered by the withdrawal so I happily (anything to relieve the misery) flipped over on the examining table and accepted 2 shots in the butt. One for the pain, with i kept saying i wasnt having, and one of imitrex, for migraines. then i went home and slept. My psych says to go back on it and taper even slower but there is no way in hell i am putting any more of that in my body. But, If I were to do it over, and for all of you who are getting off it: Go really really slow. and since i didnt feel any changes at each dose decrease, the key is the last few days. Cut the dosage as far as you can. I had caplets so I should have cut the 75 into quarters. Do that for a couple weeks and then try taking a quarter every other day. Then maybe every 2 days, and so on. What I would like to know is, how long until these symptoms stop?? it's not too bad right now, i'm taking the imitrex, not sure if its helping but i'm also laying down a lot. its when i move around a lot and have too much sensory stimuli that i really feel it. can someone give me some idea if i'm going to be able to go to work on tuesday? (its saturday)

posted by: marie (reply)
post date: 02.13.05 (9:22 am)

I am a brainzap veteran. This is a detox process. Get help from a good kinesiologist/chiropractor to ease through this. I found probiotics, lipoic acid, B complex and peppermint tea help.

posted by: MJ (reply)
post date: 03.07.05 (12:23 pm)

Reply to: marie
I am in the midst of effexor withdrawal. I've been on 225mg for almost 3 years; my dr. advised dropping to 150 for 1 week, then to 75 for 2 weeks, and now (beginning last Thurs.) I am supposed to be taking 75 every other day for one week, then discontinuing. I KNOW from all I have read that this is too fast...I think I should drop to 37.5 for a while, and then 37.5 every other day, or something like that. The days with no effexor at all (2 so far) have been HORRIBLE. My entire body aches; I am irrational; you name it, I have it. I am so afraid of this. It really was a miracle drug for a long time for my chronic pain, but I have decided that the risks far outweigh the benefits. How are you doing? I saw your post & just wanted you to know that you are not alone. Take care...
MJ

posted by: L (reply)
post date: 03.08.05 (9:08 pm)

Wow... this is the weirdest thing ever - to hear people expressing what I'm feeling right now. I've only been on Effexor for 4 months but at 225 for 2 of them and have gained 10 pounds, am not having much relief for the anxiety issues I have, and my fiance has recently admitted that I have indeed been WAY moodier / unforgiving and totally imatient with everyone. We agreed, after my suggesting it the other night, that I really need to get off this stuff. My anxiety is bad usually, but frankly an upcoming wedding + non-stop weight gain don't so much = happy. Ugh. It's so great (in some oddly morbid way) to not feel alone in this. I'd rather deal with the 'devil I know' than this devil... the brainzaps and 'losing it' feeling of missing a pill are worse than the ongoing side-effects of weight gain, insomnia, nausea, etc. Man... even this tapering sucks. Thanks everyone for sharing - it makes this crappy-ness not so crappy.

posted by: Dizzy Dean (reply)
post date: 03.17.05 (6:11 am)

Started w/ Effexor xr less than a yr ago when I was at my lowest of lows. I have to say it was a big part of bringing me back to life. About a month ago my psych added Welbutrin 300mg to the mix to help w/ some Effexor side effects. Now w/ everything going well my psych thought it was a good idea to stop the Effexor. She was going to have me just stop, but I suggested the tapering after reading some websites. So I tapered down from 150mg over 4 weeks. I was just opening the capsule and pouring out 1/4 for a week, then 1/2 and so on.

It's been 6 days since I've stopped taking the Effexor and I feel awful to say the least. I've mainly been dizzy, not able to cope w/ much motion and I'm guessing that has resulted in my headaches and nausea. It's like I'm sick w/ a fever, only no fever. Luckily I've been able to function and go to work. I hate to go back and take more to get rid of the symptoms, especially after I've made this far. Any ideas what I should do? How does Wellbutrin effect everything and will it be this difficult to stop as well?

posted by: scaredofzaps (reply)
post date: 03.18.05 (5:19 pm)

The more I read the more scared I am to stop taking this @#$%. I will be reducing to 37.5 in a few days and am so afraid of the side effects. don't know how a person can work and do this. I drive alot with work and deal directly with many people each day. You may see me on the news for road rage or something like that. I wish I never started taking it 4 years ago.
My life was much easier.

posted by: Erika (reply)
post date: 04.19.05 (9:58 pm)

Reply to: newbie

posted by: no one (reply)
post date: 05.06.05 (11:44 am)

I think what helped me most of all was opium tea. It took care of a lot of physiological symptoms and removed me enough from the hell I was in that I could analyze my feelings with detachment. Small amounts of alcohol helped with the dizziness at times. I can't do benadryl. You choline levels are screwed during this so eating foods high in choline helps the confusion an shaking. Also lecithin helps everything. Kava and other herbal remedies can really help when it is all to crazy. Get your vitamins, drink lots of water, talk to anyone you can about what you are feeling and hold on to your ass because there is a good chance of killing yourself coming off of this. Good luck

posted by: ann (reply)
post date: 05.23.05 (9:13 am)

I am also trying to withdraw from effexor also. I am having a horrible time, after tapering from 125 mg to 112.5mg to 75 mg to 37.5 mg was the easy part. Dr told me after a week as 37.5 to stop...well I did and I thought I was going crazy, I was scared, sick, dizzy, couldn't think, couldn't stand the light. Called Dr on Sat (his day off) he was pissed...wanted to know why I was going off meds (we had discussed this in office), suggested I take one of the 125 mg I had left and see him the following week. I thought, hell no I'm not going through this again, So I have taken apart a capsule counted the pieces and am weaning myself down from where I left off...the first week I took 18.75 each day...this week I'm taking 18.75 every other day, next week I will reduce to 9.375 , then every other day. Hopefully then I can stop completely. I can't believe how difficult this is, I think I now know how a drug addict feels when coming off drugs. I will always in the future ask about side effects from withdrawal for anything I take. This is the worst thing I've ever experienced from medication.

posted by: newbie (reply)
post date: 05.26.05 (4:07 pm)

Does anyone know if there are clinics or something that can medically supervise the withdrwal symptons?

posted by: sjj (reply)
post date: 06.11.05 (1:31 pm)

I have been on effexor for two years following 3 years of zoloft/paxil along with seroquel. I sound like a basket case, I know, and believe it or not, I have a full time job and four school age children. This summer I have decided to get off this medicine for good, and have begun to taper, doing first every other day for a week and now every two days for a week...anyone who has done this, do you think it is too fast. My original dose is 75 mg.. I couldnt get the doctor to go for the 37.5 dose she said it would make me nauseated. Today is my first 2nd day off and I feel like hammered crap!! Its like a hangover except I didnt get to have any fun last night... I am trying to support my system with lots of water and that seems to help, and also taking nutritional supplements ( b- complex, C- magnesium, potassium, and folate). I hate this drug!!!!! Today I was functional for about 5 hours then I crashed. I took a nap but felt worse when I woke up. Nauseated, dizzy, and of course those wonderful zaping things. Wish me luck, I am determined.

posted by: Stacy (reply)
post date: 06.13.05 (2:26 pm)

I am on day 5 of getting off of 75mg. All I want to know is how long did the symptoms last? I have only thrown up 20 times today and I am wondering when it will get better.

posted by: Butterfly (reply)
post date: 06.14.05 (4:45 pm)

I've been on Effexor for almost 4 years now. I tried a few years ago to stop cold turkey and boy did I think I was going to die! Thats when I first got on the internet and found out several things my docs never told me. Advice: never assume your doc knows everything about drugs! Do you your own research. I'm sure thats what you are doing here. I have to admit that this drug probably saved my life when I first went on it. I needed something just to keep me from killing myself. I got up to a max dose of 150mg about 2 years ago, and had to go back down to 75 mg because of related stomach problems (they said my stomach emptied too slow - anyone ever heard of that?) So I did 75 for a while, and then down to 37.5. But now I want/need to get off this for good. I just got married and my husband does not know me without this drug. Its killed our sex life, and we want to get pregnant. So there's two reasons to get off. Plus, I just don't have the stress in my life that I did when I first went on it and want to get back to "normal." Anyway, I'm on 25 mg now and my doc wants me on this for 3 months, and then 12.5 for 3 months. I'm having a hard time with it. The brain zaps are not bad when you do it this slow, for sure. But I'm still having a hard time. What I want to know is this: is it better to do it for a short period of time (maybe wean off for 2 months totally) or drag out the symptoms for 6-9 months even though they aren't as severe? I dont know how long I can go like this. I need to work full time, but I still wonder if a few weeks of hell is better than 6-9 months of almost hell??? Anyone have advice?

posted by: Tweety (reply)
post date: 06.19.05 (7:12 pm)

Reply to: Butterfly

I weaned off effexor also. It was awful, however, from experience I would suggest not dragging it out. I took one month to go from 150mg to nothing. I would feel real sick going from one dose to another, then feel a little better for a few days. Then start the process all over again. I have been completely off for 10 days and feel so much better. No more dizziness, nausea, brain zaps etc. I do still feel agitated, impatient, and want to cry all the time, but that is much better than the actual physical symptoms. Don't drag it out. Why feel crappy for so long. Good Luck.

posted by: frogmama (reply)
post date: 06.20.05 (9:59 am)

I "knew" what to expect when going off the Effexor from reading about it before I went on. (HA!) I was so depressed when I started it that I would have taken ANYTHING to feel better, up to and including crack cocaine (but my insurance dosen't cover it) regardless of the side effects.

I was only on for 5 months (maxed out at 225), it worked good at first but effects were short lived. Went from 225 to 150 to 75 to 0 in 3 weeks then started Prozac immediately, didn't have the side effects until I stopped completely. Woohoo, aren't brainzaps FUN! Not! :O Confusion, lethargy, nausea, etc. Water, walking (can't ride the bike, too dizzy)water, walking and then more water. Peppermint or ginger tea for nausea. Lots of fruit & veggies, extra zinc and B's.

I'm on day 5 now of no Effexor and I "think" the zaps are diminishing, vertigo is better. I hope the worst has passed!!!!!!! Now everyone cross your fingers for me that the Prozac will work (10 million users cant be wrong, right?).

posted by: Powerless over Effexor XR (reply)
post date: 08.01.05 (2:14 pm)

I have never understood blogs or 'posted' to one, however, I am TRYING to get off of Effexor XR and I am having a rough time!!!! I do not have insurance so the doctor was giving me samples. I was originally on 375 mg/day!!!!!! I moved away from my doctor and I was running out of the samples he so nicely had been giving me - so when I saw I was about to run out, I started the weining process. Needless to say that I did NOT have enough of the pills to taper off the correct and slow way. Many of the withdrawal symptoms I am experiening - I have found that other people have had too - So at least now I don't feel like a am a complete LUNITIC!!!! I have had horrible dreams, night sweats (I thought I was starting menopause at 36 yo!!!), you all call 'brain zaps', I have always called, 'brain twinges' - it feels like something or someone is thumping something in my central nervous system. It has now been 3 whole days without any Effexor - and today I experienced a brief period of wishing I was dead, and I have cried pretty much ALL day long and don't even know what I am crying about. This is the worst!!!!! The doctor called in an RX today (I guess to get me taking it again and to get off of it more slowly). I have to say that I am having the WORST time even thinking about putting any in my body again - I feel like the WORST is over, but am I wrong? Please help!! My friends/family care but can't or don't understand. I feel so alone and crazy. is it me or the drugs????

posted by: labrat (reply)
post date: 10.06.05 (1:53 pm)

It is quite wonderful to read that the extremely strange way I feel is actually "normal"--for people withdrawing from effexor. I went on effexor for postpartum depression a year ago. I had never been on any other psychiatric medication before. I have to say effexor really made a positive difference for me. However, a year on the stuff, and I was thinking I'd like to be back to my non-medicated stuff. So, when my little family recently had a financial crisis, I decided to not pick up my prescription (150 mg/day). (We had $50 left to last our family for two weeks and my prescription, even with insurance costs $40). That was 6 days ago. I have constant zaps, the runs, echoing footsteps walking through my head, colors moving out of the corners of my eyes, nightmares, the whole hot/cold thing, sweating, tremors...and weeping. I am a teacher and haven't missed a day of work, but it's been a week of "who'd like to read aloud to the rest of the class" and "let's ananlyze another movie." So far, each day is worse, not better. Cold turkey is not a good way to go with this drug. Called my doc's office--she (wonderful human) went to Africa a month ago and decided to stay to volunteer her services at various villages till January, I found out today. Her nurse said there were some free samples lying around I could take...

My question for the more experienced quitters out there...having made it nearly a week, should I continue to go it cold turkey, or should I pick up what the nurse has to offer me? Unfortunately, I live in a small town in Alaska with no roads out and only a few docs, so finding another one I like is not going to happen quickly.

I'd appreciate your thoughts on this.

posted by: maggie (reply)
post date: 10.24.05 (8:25 am)

I have been on 150mg for about a year. I forgot a dose yesterday and in the middle of the night I woke up and when I would close my eyes it was like looking through a kaleidoscope. Has anyone had that symptom from skipping a doze?

posted by: Beth (reply)
post date: 11.24.05 (5:53 pm)

This site has saved my sanity! I've been on 150mg for about 6 months after being on Zoloft for several years. Initially it helped with the mood swings but now, I've put on 20 lbs on my formerly good frame and have awful self esteem now. I've had lockjaw so bad I'm being treated for neck spasms by a physical therapist, I feel dry and itchy a lot for no reason (I moisturize a lot). ALL of these are physical side effects of this awful drug!! Starting tomorrow I'm going off it. I know it will be hell but I want this out of my body as soon as I possibly can. I know it's gonna be hard, there was a 3 day period in August I went off it and was so nauseaous and dizzy I had to call in sick for work. And I now understand the brain zaps.

Oh god, this is gonna be awful. Especially at the holidays. I just gotta remember I'm detoxing something horrible out of my system and the faster I get rid of it the better. The depression wasn't so bad as to risk getting on a drug like Effexor that has such a dramatic physiological shift in your body. I will take the advice of drinking tons of water, forcing myself to the gym, and leaving post-it's at work and on my home bathroom mirror that it's detoxing EFFEXOR that is making be feel this awful, that IT'S NOT ME. Oh god I am scared.

I can't believe my shrink EVER suggested something like this for me. She said coming off it we had to be careful but she should have been a lot more specific before putting me on this. Had I known what I know now I would have rode out the rough patch I was going through last spring and never got on this awful drug.

posted by: nevertakeeeffexor (reply)
post date: 11.24.05 (8:13 pm)

WHY DIDN'T SOMEONE TELL ME IT WOULD BE THIS BAD! Actually, someone did, and I didn't believe her because effexor was really helping my depression. But now I feel like I'm going crazy, my head is spinning and I'm getting brain zaps. HOW LONG DOES THIS LAST?????

posted by: JoeDoeFoo (reply)
post date: 10.15.06 (1:06 pm)

Nice opinion !

posted by: Byes (reply)
post date: 11.09.06 (8:35 pm)

Very much, the interesting site, is a lot of helpful information, has added in bookmarks, tomorrow I shall return again to read through the newcomer